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Interview with Dr Martina Geromin

Unknown: 0:00California wonderful. Yes. Hey. So it's uh, it's it's very far apart. So it's very early for you, I imagine. Yes. Yes. What is it now? It's five with me. So it's nine. Is it towards nine ish? It's like eight o'clock. Oh, already? Okay, so, yeah, yeah. It's nine hours. Yeah. Yeah, I have a couple of interviews with some people in England. And they like all of them are like, Alright, 1am. Like, luckily I work night shift. So it's like, okay, I can do the 1am. No more people are so. So you're used to that, right? very used to being tired. Oh, okay. Okay. Sorry about that. Um, so, no, we were just gonna Oh, sorry. My zooms like what are you doing? Just basically, is what we want to go over for you? Because I think I only got you for 30 minutes. Yeah, actually, I don't know. Is this life? Or will it's it will be recorded. And then yeah, I'm just gonna record it. Don't worry about the video. I don't post that or anything. It's just audio. And I'll just get out. Yeah, I'll just cut the this part out. All right. All right. Well, I am open for everything. I don't know. I don't know exactly what what you will be asking me about, you know, so I'm open for whatever comes. Okay. All right. Cool. Then, um, let's get right into it. So you are Dr. Martina. Right. So you, you have started your own website teaching kids? ages? I've like I checked your website earlier, six to 18? Or is it a little bit younger? like four ish? It's actually from four or five to 18? Exactly. Yeah. It's not only a website, right? I mean, it's an online school. It's a school that we are offering personalized school. Exactly. So how does the personalization work? How is it to their needs, like the ADHD, depression kind of thing. And not in that case, actually, we are looking at their individual, let's say, personality and their interests and at where they're coming from. So we are looking also, you know, we using tools like human design as well, in order to find out, you know, which kind of type are they with regards to their personality? What are their interests, and then on that basis, we create a strategies and of course, with the oldest students, we, we work alongside them, it's like creating, we talk about their short, mid and long term goals. And, and we saw to say, accompany them towards and towards the realization and achievement of their goals. But it's not only about the academic goals, it's it's everything else as well. So we we see the human being as a, as a whole, right? as a, as a holistic being. Yeah. Yeah. Instead of treating like, oh, you're number of whatever student, you're let's say, you're saying, you're actually Josh, let's help Josh kind of thing. Exactly, exactly. Because we really believe that each person is so completely different. And each person is unique. And as we are all unique, we also need to understand that as a unique being, I may, you know, pursue a unique and you a unique mission, a unique pathway. But But embed it in a bigger in a bigger picture embedded in society embedded embedded in a group embedded in, in a community. So it's the appreciation of the of the self, but at the same time, the appreciation of the self of the other as well. Right. Right. So you mentioned Sorry, sorry, sorry, no, I didn't mean to cut you off. No, no, I just wanted to say it's not a selfish approach, because actually, it's it's not an all embracing approach, right. It's something where we say, if you start from self appreciation, you automatically are open towards the appreciation of other people. So you are much more open minded, and you're much more into into this understanding that that we all fulfill a specific role in this life. Yes, yeah. Yes. So you mentioned earlier about personality. Do you do like the Myers Briggs personality type test to help with that? Or is it more of a like a disc? Well, it's not that specific test, but we use a number of different tests to do that. But as I said before, one of our tools and out of many, which we have found out is extremely effective is the tool of human design. The Human Design actually gives us really an idea. It's not about saying, you know, you are doing this specific, you are good at this specific interest. It's more about saying, Are you more this kind of overviewing? type? Are you more projected type? Are you more person who manifests new ideas into life? Or are you more the execution of the projects? You know, a person who is more, let's say, who is more effective when working on on his or her own? Or are you more person who is more effective in in in pairs? Because there are people who are not effective in large groups, right. And if I know that, if I appreciate that, I just take that into consideration. I'm not questioning myself, I'm not saying there's something wrong with me, right? I'm actually saying, Okay, this is my modality. And if I know that I'm this person who needs who is always one step ahead of others. I may also say that's a beautiful thing. But at the same time, I need to make sure that others are informed about my steps, because otherwise they may feel overwhelmed. And they may not come along with me because I'm too fast for them. Yeah, yeah. So it's all about this. Yeah. Yeah. So back in my like elementary years in, at least in California, they did not understand ADHD. So they put me in a very similar class, you're not the fully mentally handicapped, but you're not mainstream. So you're like that middle. And the teachers, they were they realized Joshua is a very strategic person, he do this, this and this, he, but his minds too fast, he can't keep up with it. So it was just it's literally like what you were saying. And that's brilliant. I love it. Yeah, and, you know, this is what we are also saying, we don't want to categorize our students. It's not, it's not the student has this and this, it's about creating an environment in, in embedded in, in, in life environment where I don't get this understanding. There's something wrong with me. No, there's nothing wrong with me. It's just different, right? Limited Edition. Yes. Exactly. Exactly. And, and, and, and we always look at at at each situation, how can we out create out from here, you know, how is how can we generate something so that the person feels, you know, feels appreciated how, how he or she is and then the moment you feel appreciated? Usually, at least, you know, you open up and you connect again, with your intrinsic motivation to do things right and right. Yeah. So for intrinsic motivation, how would I've actually never I've heard of the motivation, but not intrinsic? How would you easily describe that? Well, there's two different kinds of motivation, right? It's the intrinsic motivation, and the extrinsic motivation, the intrinsic motivation is coming from within, okay, a child, you know, usually children, when they are really very young, they don't, they don't care about whether they that whether they score high, they just, they're just so extremely fulfilled in their, in their activity in their play, that they are intrinsically, they're just curious. And that's coming from within the extract the extrinsic motivation, something we in our society very much care for. And, and, and care about, it's, you know, you get the grade, you get a salary, you get an award, you know, it's coming from, from outside, which means that the student, actually a human being kind of deviates from intrinsic to extrinsic, and makes him or herself dependent on the award system on this and that, and if that's not there anymore, then you may fall apart. Or you may, you know, it's always based on competition, you know, this kind of pushing competition. And by saying that, I don't want to say that there is not, you know, the there are people who, from from within, they like to, you know, compete somehow with themselves, right, it's because it's coming from within, but if it's always coming from external from external sources, then I may lose at kind of, you know, the connection to myself, I'm just doing it for the sake of doing it. And very often, where does that lead that leads towards being, you know, burned out or doing things that are not they don't belong to you, or recently recently with you? And yeah, it's not healthy. It's not in the long run. In the long run. Yes. Um, Have you listened or studied anything? Under Jordan Peterson on this mindset stuff. Peterson No, I'm sorry. So he, he talks about, I've watched a lot of his videos because they're very philosophical and psychological II based. And he says the same thing. He's like, when we're first born, we have an inner child, the inner child, when he's like, very irrational, and wants to be a firefighter at the same time and astronaut. He's like one of those you could probably do. But as you get older, you realize, Oh, I need to get a job, oh, I need to get a house. I guess I have to take this shitty job to afford everything. And he's like, then you slowly kill your little inner child. And he's like, the the American dream or just a dream in general, is crushed. And then when you want to come back to it, you don't remember what the inner child wanted? So you're just always now sad. Exactly. Yeah, I completely agree with that. I will, I will certainly investigate further on this. Thank you for sharing that was. Absolutely. And you're right. And what we are doing now at our school is really take your dreams. Seriously. Because reoccurring dreams, you know, they they want to say something to you. And and actually, what you just said made me makes me share with you my dream, I had a dream as a as a five year old child. And my dream at that age was I want to become a teacher because I had the understanding when I was in kindergarten, right. And everyone was was was treated the same way. And at the time, I felt this is not kind This is not quite right. Right. And I felt at the age of five, I will become a teacher first. I will then lead schools, and then I will create my own school. And and this is how my life then unraveled. Right. So this is, as you said before, and Peterson says actually as well, it's really understanding, you know, that there is a dream within that comes from within because it wants to be extracted, it wants to be extrapolated. And we, if we take that seriously, then we end up doing things that really resonate with us, right. Yeah. And, yeah. And that's that dream. That's, that's very beautiful. The fact that you knew at such a young age, you want to do that. And you've you've done it now you've completed all three, right? Yes, yes, it took some time, of course, but right, you know, all the steps, but it was, I didn't know at the time, I would be doing it. But I was always kind of geared towards that. And I always listened. My inner voice, right. When I was undertaking maybe another path, I realized, okay, that other path was not the right one for me, either. If it was a milestone, a stepping stone into the next, you know, internet next dimension level, then it was good. But when it was really the wrong step, I realized immediately and then I, I withdrew from that. And I came again on track. But very often, if we look at studies, we know, you know, studies tell us exactly that. 85% of people even more, they do not pursue their dream, their dream. Yeah. Well, some of it also is just as a child, it's one of those you're always told, oh, you can't do this, or you can't do that. That's impossible. Don't even try kind of thing. So your, your condition at a young age is like, Oh, I guess my ideas are not good enough. I can't do that kind of thing. Like, for me as a childhood dream. I always wanted to be Indiana Jones. Like I want to be the guy exploring going through tombs. I realized now as an adult, that's awesome. Probably can't do that, though. But I realized, Oh, no, you can say no, I just wanted to say but if you I mean, you know, if if you are looking at what you're doing now you are exploring so many, you know, you are on your exploration trip, aren't you? Yes. And that's actually what I was going to get to I realized, I love talking to people. Even though I'm very introverted by nature. I just love hearing different stories. I really like this is perfect like this is this is achieving everything I like to do. Excellent. That's beautiful. It's so beautiful. Josh, I love that. And exactly, if you if you don't, you know, as you said before, we learned that by from from different, you know, fields, you know, you can't do that or this is too difficult and so forth. But by now we know this is just the kind of storytelling and nonsense storytelling because that's why we call our school school beyond limitations because we can unlearn everything because these are just learned, learned patterns. And if we if we look at people who really pursue their dreams, you know, who do Who, who actually bring huge projects of my own more little projects into life, but they just stay truth worthy with them, then we realize if they can do it, actually, everyone could do it right. And I'm a firm believer, everyone can do it, you just should open up towards the understanding that your brain will come along with you. Because you can, you know, we know through neuroplasticity right now, so many new things, and also the cell reproduction. We know so many new things from science, you know, that we can create new pathways in our in our brain, and the more we train it, and the more the more we will be capable to, to to, to actually bring in new beliefs. If I say, I can't do that. And I reverse that. And I say, what if there were no limits out there? And I started to believe in that and I and I asked, I start to ask the right questions. What else is possible? What can I do out of this learning experience, even if it may feel a little bit restrictive at the moment? But what like Coronavirus, right, we are in a situation of restriction and limitation. And what if I viewed it from a different angle? What can I create in this situation? You know, and that puts us in in a generative field of of energy and add an end away from the victim state into into the creation state? Yes, the law gives us a lot of power. It does. Literally, one of the things you touch on is the situation with isolation with Coronavirus. In March when the 2020 of the market crashed, it was one of those that's when I work at a grocery store at night. Everyone's freaking out. They're panic buying. It was an eerie scene when I came in the store was empty. But I still had to like clean everything. And it was one of those one of my co workers was praising that the market crashed but the other was crying. And I'm like, why is he happy? And he said I'm like, interesting. So that's where essentially the last year I've been teaching myself, the market trading and all that. Because I looked at this even though I'm stuck at home, I am not limited to reading books like these guys, here are all those that have gone through except a big one that wants to just like calculus, and I can't understand it. Well, yeah, but yeah, so I've gotten to the point where I'm now at like a lot of my co workers. They're like, hey, so your business guy, what do you think is gonna happen kind of thing? And then just awkwardly state everything and then go back to work? Yeah, but you see, you just made a very nice statement. You know, when you said it's, it's it's a point of view. It's an interesting point of view. What if you were because you were mentioning to, you know, two ways of seeing Coronavirus, you are the one who sees it as an opportunity. The other one who just feels now, you know, I'm completely crushed. Right. But if we approach everything by saying, Oh, that's an interesting point of view, is there another point of view is there is still another possibility out there then may be if I'm open, and that's what we are also doing at school beyond limitations, open the space and tell students you know, and and help students actually see what else is possible, also in these conditions right now. So as he said, you know, you went into trading and so we do that as well. What can we do? You know, sitting at home, how can we still, you know, and pursue the possibility of meeting with people. Yeah, I can do it online, for sure. But there are also other possibilities, maybe, you know, and and, and, and students just end to end human beings just start to say, to see that freedom is not dependent on the outer constant conditions that freedom is within it is it's a good tie back right into it's more within the external. Because I like I was talking to one I do martial arts also. So my instructor he he attracts a lot of entrepreneurs for his style. And one of them's a very successful scrapper. And I asked him like, what's the key to your success? He's like, never close your mind is like the second thing is aim for the sun. Even if you miss you'll hit the moon kind of thing. Yes, I completely agree. Exactly. And, you know, we don't always have to know how we get there. And no, and that's like, the, the thing was only two He's like, you'd never know kind of thing how he's like, I did not expect to be a prescriber. He was telling me He's like, but my father training He groomed me correctly. When I did. He's like, I guess he wanted to be a cop. That was like his childhood thing. But he realized after he finished academies, like, I don't like this. So he went back to his father's businesses and took over and he's like, it makes more sense. I like strategizing. I like talking to customers. Very nice, beautiful ride. I mean, it's just this open mindedness, this, this, this, this, this, this understanding, I'm here and I'm, I can do something. Yeah. And I can contribute, I can give meaning to Yeah. Not only to my own life, but also to others. If he's now taking care of the, of the enterprise of his father, he's responsible for other people. And you know, it's beautiful. It's just beautiful. Yeah, it is. And it's just the lead in where he's like, just don't worry about the house, just worry about where you're going. Cuz he's like, you might, he's like, because they talk to me, they know I work night shift. So like, right now, maybe you got to work five years, save up your money. And then whatever it is, now you have the down payment for like a house, which then you can rent it for, like, but that's the, how you get there. It's gonna be not what you want. But it will be done eventually. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, and there is also this point of view, you know, about money. Yes. You know, yeah, that's also an interesting point of view, you know, if if, if, if I make myself dependent only on money, then it becomes, again, a burden. But if I see that money is also kind of energy, and it's a kind of receiving and giving energy, then there's, you know, the channels are open. And then suddenly, as I said, before, you know, we never, we don't always need to know how things will unfold. But for because there's also this openness for, for, for, for, for things to come into my life. Right. And I'm open and I can see opportunities may be where others don't see the opportunities, right. Yes, yeah. Yeah. So to spin into a little more of your schooling, are you used mainly just strictly online? No, like, I'm building to go and, like gather resources? No, it's not only strictly online, it's mainly online. Because we offer this this school system is so to say yet for families who travel along, who are expert families, who you know, who have, who want to have more freedom, also divorced and separated families, you know, so that the children themselves can decide whether they want to stay one month to one month there. And for actors, and you know, people, creatives, and so forth. And so, but we also especially in secondary school, not in primary school, but in secondary school, one essential part is also meeting physically, three times per year in different locations. Yeah, very interesting, because it's not, of course, one main bulk is to get to know one another, and the social and emotional aspect as well. But one bark is also to help them frame the multicultural sensitivity, so that they, you know, they, they they dwell, so to say in a project that is relevant for that specific location, you know, so that they actually really integrated into something I'm just make an example. We went for one week to Vienna, and in Vienna, that's the city of music. And then the main project was based on music, we we studied music, we students, with compositions, they, they learned a lot at the music school, but they also went into the Opera House, they, they started to talk to, you know, the singers and the orchestra, and how everything is is Greek created on stage and stuff like that. So it was and and at the end of the week, they come up with a full project, right? So that it starts from somewhere, and it finishes somewhere so that they also see how that unfolds and how to collaborate. So there's a lot of emphasis also on on soft skills, of course, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Soft skills are one of those. It's, it's unless you're actively taught it. It's kind of almost a dying thing nowadays. It's very sad. Just simple. Communication. Just talking, I've noticed in my local area, all the kids, the teenagers to 16 to 20. Sorry, they're not full teenagers, but they only they text. That's it Like I just play, I'm just walking around like, Hey, you look sad. Like, are you okay? And you just stare at me? Yes. And I'm like, I'm okay. I'm gonna take that as No. Yes, yes, Joshua, and you mentioned something very important. And this is also something that is very important to us during our online sessions. Because it's not only about academics, as I said before, it's about, you know, the development of the whole being. So it's about the emotions, it's about the social aspect. And you know, what, we have very small classes, there are never more than eight dates, eight students in one class. Oh, wow. And, yeah, and, and, you know, we are now in zoom as well, right? And you have, you would have never met personally, but you can create rapport through through zoom. And that that's happening, if you do not only focus on, you know, on lecturing, and delivering content, it's about first, first and foremost about creating an environment where each person feel seen and appreciated, and also is encouraged to, to the other way around, right, so that they understand wow, you know, and very often and that's interesting, that's it's like magic, right? It's really like magic, that students often often they say to us, especially if they are coming from traditional schools or other schools, they say, I feel much more bond bonded with with my current peers, that I have probably known only for a few weeks, then I feel with peers that I have passed, I don't know. Known for like years. Yeah. Known for eight years or nine years, right? Yeah. Yeah. It's just, it's sad. We're, we're getting very isolated. And this was a book I'm reading. It's Thinking Fast and Slow. And one of them says the best way you read it, yes, I read it. I said, It's, um, I forget if it's like fifth or sixth chapter where it's like, if you isolate someone and only feed them money, targeted things, they subconsciously become very independent. But they don't want to even interact with humans, all they care about is money and status. Exactly, exactly. And that's what I said before, right? If you are geared only towards these extrinsic things, then you lose contact to yourself, somehow, because you're just extrinsically motivated, so to say, and you lose also the rapport with other people. Because that's, that's that's also the big the big issue with gaming, right? When I'm, when I'm just becoming a consumer of something, you know, then then I give away the nice, so to say, give away my, my power. Something else? Yeah, it's getting dependent on something. Yeah. Yeah. One of my co workers, hard worker, but he watches YouTube. And it was one of those, I just casually check in and say, Hey, what are you watching today? Is it Oh, I've caught up and everything. I'm just recommend watching whatever YouTube recommends. And I jokingly not as rude I said, essentially acquitted into a sack of potatoes being turned into potato chips, kind of thing. And that's where he laughed. He thought it was funny. And then when his co worker buddies, like, You do realize he just he essentially said your inanimate vegetable. That's just there to be chopped. And you guys like, Oh, well, I thought he play. He's like, yeah, like, he did that as a double layer joke kind of thing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I mean, it can it can really lead in that direction. Right. So and it's what what's happening is it's happening. We go into our autopilot, right. It's an autopilot. And, and the autopilot is subconscious. And we are not anymore. And the creators then of our life, then yeah, we add, yeah. So to say, and kind of taken, you know, by by other forces, and yeah, everything that wherever there is addiction, you know, yes. There's a whole there's a book I need to eventually get. It's called the glow. You've read it. Yeah, I need I need to get to it. I'm looking at your books back there. That's just a lot. Yeah, there are a number of books. I love books. Yes, yes. All right. So it's hitting about that 30 minutes, anything you want to wrap up and tell the listeners and where they can contact you? Well, certainly, as I said, we have created this wonderful Schools school beyond limitations, and they can get in touch with us through our website. ww why school minus beyond minus or otherwise on different social media, we are also there, you know, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, always understood your limitations, or under my name. Martina, gentlemen, that's also possible to contact me. And I'll link that in my head. Sarah, send me all this stuff on a forum. So I'll link that all those in. Excellent, great. Thank you. Look forward to get you on in the future. Thank you, Josh. Thank you. It's been a pleasure talking to you. Thank you so much. It's been an absolute pleasure to buy

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